Name: MPW Summit 2023: Artificial Intelligence Changing Our World
Uploaded: 2023-10-11
Duration: 18 min 39 s
Description: Daniela Amodei, Co-founder and President, Anthropic Lila Ibrahim, Chief Operating Officer, Google DeepMind, Pilar Manchón, Senior Director of Engineering, Research Strategy, Google AI; Board Member; Eventbrite, Moderator: Maryam Banikarim, Co-founder, NYCNext; Founder and Managing Partner MaryamB; Co-chair, Fortune MPW Summit

Daniela Amodei, Co-founder and President, Anthropic Lila Ibrahim, Chief Operating Officer, Google DeepMind, Pilar Manchón, Senior Director of Engineering, Research Strategy, Google AI; Board Member; Eventbrite, Moderator: Maryam Banikarim, Co-founder, NYCNext; Founder and Managing Partner MaryamB; Co-chair, Fortune MPW Summit

MPW Summit 2023: Artificial Intelligence Changing Our World

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Daniela Amodei, Co-founder and President, Anthropic Lila Ibrahim, Chief Operating Officer, Google DeepMind Pilar Manchón, Senior Director of Engineering, Research Strategy, Google AI; Board Member; Eventbrite Moderator: Maryam Banikarim, Co-founder, NYCNext; Founder and Managing Partner MaryamB; Co-chair, Fortune MPW Summit

Daniela Amodei,  Anthropic, Lila Ibrahim, Google DeepMind, Pilar Manchón, Research Strategy, Google AI; Eventbrite Moderator: Maryam Banikarim, NYCNext; MaryamB; Fortune MPW Summit

Alright. One of the biggest topics of conversation happening everywhere from boardrooms to dinner tables, of course is the power and impact of generative A I. And there are varying levels of excitement, confusion and even fear questions such as how can A I be used? Will it kill jobs or create jobs? Can it be trusted to be accurate? What about the spread of misinformation and bias? How can it be implemented properly and securely? And when is the right time to jump in? They're all genuine concerns and important points of conversation. And one thing is for sure A I is here to stay. So we want to have a real conversation about the power of machine generated intelligence. We're joined by three women who are leaders in the space. Daniella Amede is president and co founder of anthropic Lila Ibrahim is coo of Google Deepmind, Pilar Manch is senior director of engineering research Strategy at Google A I and a board member of Eventbrite. This conversation will be led by Miriam Becken. Ban Kiram, co founder NYC. Next and founder and managing partner of Miriam B and MPW summit co chair. Please welcome them to the stage OK. So I think we're between you and lunch. So with that note, I'm going to get going Lila in the last two years. You can't avoid stories about A I. In fact, I think the session before was oversubscribed. Billions are being invested in A I globally. It's a brave new world and it's rushing at us at break. Next speed. You've been in tech for 30 years. What are the one or two key things you think everyone in this room should know? By the way, both from a business perspective, we have big questions here, big big topics, but also as humans, right? Because I think we wear sort of two hats, mother, daughter, son and C Suite executive. What a great place to start. You can imagine this year, I have had a lot of conversations about A I and actually every single conversation deals with risks and responsible responsibility. How are we going to develop this technology in a responsible way? What are the risks? Those are very, very important conversations. I think we'll probably touch on today, but I really wish someone would just ask me, what are the opportunities? What could this really unlock for us? How could A I be used as a tool to help understand diseases come up with solutions, find solutions to the climate crisis, create new materials. There's so much possibility. Um And so I would love us. I think everyone here to be thinking about what are a couple of opportunities, both personally and professionally where you're excited where A I could transform the world ahead so that we can actually leave a better place for, for our kids or their generation or, you know, those who follow us. So that would be my, my wish for, for the conversation. Great. Um pr top tech executives mask Zuckerberg and Gates discussed the future of A I. And they all agree that there's some role for government to play. But yet legendary VC Bill Gurley says that regulation is the friend of the incumbent. So we understand the benefits of competition and innovation. We've also all lived through the internet revolution. So we also know that some guard rails are needed for unintended consequences. What are the general areas that we should be focused on from both the safety and regulation perspective? And do they vary like country by country or is this now a global conversation? Well, I think that's clear to everybody, the regulation is needed and it's important that it is the right regulation so that we don't impede innovation. So as as Lila said, it's, it's important to take into consideration the bre the birth of opportunities that A I will bring us. So we wanna embrace that, but the kind of regulation that we need have to focus on transparency control and being auditable so that regulators and people and all other organizations, not just A I, people can understand what A I is doing, why is it doing it? How is it doing it? Where is the data coming from and so on? So more transparency around that is probably what everybody is claiming for. And uh also an understanding of what the governance processes are not only from the large corporations like you know, Google and some of the other bigger companies, we have very strict governance processes internal to the company and we share those processes, but we also share the tools for other companies to be able to have their own governance processes. And that is extremely important because no matter how many guard rails or how many regulations you put in place, if you don't take into account what you're doing with your own data, with your own processes, with your own applications, then things could potentially go wrong. OK, I have a lot of questions on that. OK, Daniella, a couple of interesting things about your company, anthropic as I did my homework, your chatbot Claude has been trained using something called Constitutional A I. What is that? And why should we care and you're set up as a public benefit core which is different than A B Corp. And I know that that was intentional. So same kind of question like what is that? And why should any of us pay attention to that? Sure. So I'll start by talking about your first question. What is constitutional A I? So really the goal of training A language model like quad is to be helpful to people, right, to ensure also that it is harmless and that is honest. So we have this kind of triple H framework that we apply at Anthropic to the models that we train. And just to give sort of a very brief history lesson, the way that these models were sort of trained the gold standard for them in the past was by using a technique called RHF or reinforcement learning from human feedback. And what that means is essentially the model would give an output and a human or a lot of humans actually would give it a thumbs up or a thumbs down. So if it said something dishonest, it would get a thumbs down. If it said something honest, it would get a thumbs up. And this is a technique that we pioneered really an anthropic in our previous company. And we were wondering, are there ways to help advance this kind of, what was your previous company open A I? OK. Yes. And before before, you know, when, when we decided to go co found anthropic, you know, we were still using RHF, we still use it, but we had this insight that potentially you could train these models using a different type of technique. And so our team of researchers created this idea of constitutional A I and all that means really is that you give the model a constitution for how to behave. So instead of scoring specific examples as good or bad, you say, OK, what are the values that we really want this model to have? And we incorporated more than two dozen different types of documents in that things ranging from the UN Declaration of human rights to trust and safety, terms of services, from major companies and businesses who, who writes the constitution, right? Because we know in our constitution there was a collective that sort of had a voice in that. And there's lots of opinions about whether that was good or not or inclusive or not, who's writing that constitution. So it's a great question. Part of why we chose to use such a large corpus of different documents to go into the constitution was for that exact reason we said rather than create a to on our own, let's look at documents that are related to things like human rights and ethics and also have been used by companies for decades, sometimes to ensure that users are treated fairly and that the models are developed ethically. So rather than trying to arbiter it ourselves, we really picked a wide range of different, of different documents to go into that. And this is a distinct difference from your former company Constitutional A I is something that we pioneered, but we've actually published our safety research on it. And so uh if you've seen our website anthropic dot com, we published, we published more than 20 safety research papers, including the techniques that got us to constitutional A I um I didn't answer your P BC question but we can come back to it. I can come back to. That. Sounds good. Um I wanted to open it up because I know that many of you have questions and um while we figure out where the question is because it's pitch black and where the mic is, I will ask one other question which is as of April 35 years into the internet, there were, there are five point I can't read 5.2 billion internet users worldwide. So 65% of the population is connected, that means 35% of the population is still not connected. What are the key ways to think about the inequality issues in the digital divide? Because as this moves at rapid speed, we've already left some people behind. What, what, what are we gonna do to not, you know, aggravate that situation further and pillar. Why don't we start with you? Sure. Um I think that one of the great advantages of A I is that democratizes access, access to resources, access to information, access to training. So uh in all likelihood, a lot of the people that don't have the right kind of resources that don't have access to it. And by building the tools that we're building and providing general access most of the time free. But don't I still need a device and connectivity? You do need a device and connectivity unless that device is provided for, you know, not per individual but for say a classroom or a group or something like that. And that is actually being done in some of the, for instance, Google dot org and some of the other foundations that we are aware of. But it is important to understand that the device is not enough, you can have a device and still not understand how to use it. It's not going to educate you. It's not going to help you in that sense. The device is a means an artificial intelligence can actually coach you teach you guide you, make you better give you motivation. There are so many things that can be done with artificial intelligence that do not require another person to be there doing it for you that it opens the door to a fantastic growth and expansion of, you know, everything everywhere. How about you? Pillar, sorry, Lila Lila. Um I, you know, equity in A I is absolutely a critical topic. Um as mentioned uh by pur I, I think, you know, we have to get people connected to the internet and learn how to use technology in the right way. I personally do a lot of that. It's a personal passion of mine, actually a nonprofit I have called team for Tech where uh we've worked on, on um building up the infrastructure. Um That's step one, step two is how do you we need those voices into where the technology is going. We've been working with Raspberry Pi Foundation to do experience A I. We specifically targeted at 11 to 14 year olds knowing that having a chance to learn how to use technology in a responsible way from a young age is going to be critical for that literacy long term. But there's still a lot of lifelong learning that needs to happen if I could leave you with one thing about this though, it's, this has to be about collaboration. No one company, no one organization can do this on their own. We've worked with the Aspen Institute as an example, specifically around equitable A I. Knowing that this was go is going to be an issue to say, how do we bring together different points of view, different perspectives, have very constructive conversations and publish out. What are the learnings about building equitable A I? We need to have the literacy is a key, key aspect of that have common vocabulary and do this in collaboration. We have to make sure that we learn from past technologies and we start bringing outside voices into the development and that we think about this in international terms. Well, I'm not gonna ask a question about A I specifically but listening to you, um it, it struck me that, you know, you, you really are, it's the very genesis of inventing something that's going to have, who knows how long of an impact. So how do you deal with yourself about that? How do you deal with yourself ethically all of it? Like, how do you, do you talk to yourself about that? Like yourself, I'm inventing the future. I know they have the digital, the digital assistant. Yeah, like that. So how do you deal with your, I, I think you're understanding my question. How do you deal with yourself and navigate that for your? And actually when you were talking is when the question struck me? Yeah, that's a, that's a wonderful question. I love that. You know, I think, I mean, first of all, II, I don't pretend to speak for everyone working in this industry. I think, you know, for, for me, it's, it's a little bit of a of an odd kind of balancing act, right? There's almost a duality that we are facing in this industry. And I think some of it is, you know, like Lila talked about there's incredible potential benefits from this technology. And I think sometimes they don't get talked about as much, but some of the work that is being done in health care or science or climate technology, right is incredibly inspiring and even just the sort of productivity gains that can be made through a tool like quad, I think are incredibly impressive. There's also really big risk that come with this technology, right? And to sort of circle back to what you said, you know, part of why we incorporated as a public benefit corporation was to say, we think it's, it's very important for corporations that are working in this area to, to balance this potential positive benefit with this, you know, this sort of risk, right? This this um opportunity but also potential uh for the technology to be used for harm. And so I think from a personal perspective, it's, you know, there's, there's no perfect answer, but I think just sort of remembering that both things can be true, right? Like there's this potential positive thing that can be gained from doing it. We also have to be careful and really this feeling that I think has also been expressed so much on this stage that it shouldn't be left up to any one of these companies alone, right? This is a multi company, um also international government, inclusive civil society, inclusive process, maybe that, that just sort of makes it feel a little bit less like it's personally on you. It's a great question. Uh Hello, Anne Clayton Schneider Electric. I really wanted to talk about speed and velocity because I get the sense and we talked about it actually in the breakfast yesterday about how quickly this is moving. Could you characterize that for us? Because a lot of the things we're talking about require policy and thinking and understanding and education, but it's also moving very, very quickly. So your comments would be appreciated. Who wants to take that? I I don't mind taking that. Um, I think it's very clear that we're moving very fast because of the exposure to the general public A I has been developing very fast for a very long time. But those of us who have been embarrass in that world we're already accustomed to that. The moment that that became big part of our every day and exposed to the rest of the world in such way, then there is a sense that everybody has to adopt it almost immediately that you're gonna be left behind if you don't. And there is some truth to that. This is an unstoppable train. So you better jump onto it, but you have to do it, in my opinion, in a very responsible way, taking into consideration where you are what kind of business domain and, and influence the technology and A I will have on that and making sure that you educate not only the the top executives on, on the potential of A I, but it trickles down to the rest of the organization. So it is moving fast, we have to move fast with that, but we also need to do it responsibly and make sure that we have the right guard rails in place for that. Can I give a very real example too though of what if done? Right, we, we can potentially um do to benefit the world. So uh we have developed something called alpha fold, which is a protein it predicts the way the mo it predicts the way that proteins will fold or perhaps misfold. And typically, it would take a phd student about 4 to 5 years in a lab to maybe do one protein. Um This is a decade like 50 plus year old problem in biology. And we released something called alpha fold, which is a library of all the known proteins to humankind available for free, for scientists, biologists. So, if you think about that, we're now doing science at digital speed. How is that being used? Um People are, are researchers are using this now to understand neglected diseases, which maybe didn't have a good business model around them. Uh malaria, vaccinations, plastic eating enzymes, uh solving industrial waste. So we're at the very early stages, but this is now we've like beat frogs in advancement. In fact, we just also announced something around um being able to determine if something is a pathogen or not. And previously less than 1% 0.1% was known and we're now up to 89%. So this is science at digital speed. So there is some benefit to uh to this as well. This is a big topic. We only have 17 minutes to be specific. Um Thank you so much for coming and consider not me, but then your safe space for any questions related to A I. That's what we agreed to, right.